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Kaiser full str or dex

Post by fearlesskiller on Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:45 pm

Should i go full str or dex for kaiser i mostly auto combat and rush thru quests

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Re: Kaiser full str or dex

Post by RasAlgethi on Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:07 pm

DEX

period.

I literally just destroyed pianus. ripped it apart completely. and it could do nothing about it. No damage whatsoever.

Kaiser seems to be similar to DS, only with superior damage and skills.
Check out the discussion in thsi thread: http://www.pocketperion.net/t173-kaizer-auto-grind-build-and-overview

I do want to note that at one point it might be nescessary to go high DEX intead of full DEX, because of the dmg. but if your passive skills are distributed properly you shouldn't have to much of a problem.
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Re: Kaiser full str or dex

Post by JAack on Sat Dec 12, 2015 3:38 am

I have the same question as well. Im doing full DEX right now and nothing can touch me, but I do close to no damage. I have all the passives maxed. When should I start putting in STR?

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Re: Kaiser full str or dex

Post by fearlesskiller on Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:28 am

Ikr, im in aqua road im unkillable but i hit 50s

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Re: Kaiser full str or dex

Post by RasAlgethi on Sat Dec 12, 2015 11:14 am

Well i'm doubting a bit as well. I'm currently 63 and hit for 110-250, which is still the same or even slightly jogger than my DS did. The only difference would be that I never actually trained my DS at Mu Lung, because I blazed through all the way to orbis.

My kaiser feels slower than my DS, but i'm not quite sure if he really is that mich slower, or that it's just the maps at mu lung...

Kaiser is probably slower if I think about it rationally. He has a shorter combo, and lesser range. This is especially a pain on maps with a lot of spread in the mobs, or fast Moving mobs, I reckon.

I am probably going to stick to full DEX though, I want to be able to do MK and LHC on a relatively relaxed level. Which requires somewhere around 1200-1300 DEF
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Re: Kaiser full str or dex

Post by Tykian on Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:59 pm

I'm probably going to cap my dex around 300. That'll probably leave me with 1200-1300 defense at high levels with the right equips.
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Re: Kaiser full str or dex

Post by fearlesskiller on Sat Dec 12, 2015 2:06 pm

This maplestory pocket is really retarded.... Dex on a str character is better and potential are stupid... I hope maplestory M will make it better... Else ill just wait for the real ms to be ported

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Re: Kaiser full str or dex

Post by RasAlgethi on Sat Dec 12, 2015 2:41 pm

@Tykian wrote:I'm probably going to cap my dex around 300. That'll probably leave me with 1200-1300 defense at high levels with the right equips.

Yeah I can tell you that that's not likely going to be the case.
My DS is lvl 140, has 388 DEX, magic/rare grade lvl 140/130 gear, minus boots and cape. And only 1067 DEF.
Without any equipment: 360 DEX and 330 DEF. so that's 737 from equips.

Based on that info I would assume that capping at 300 would mean a loss of 50 DEF points, so you'll need an extra 200-300 points from equips to get to 1200-1300. Which will probably require scrolled rare grade gear of an already high standard.

I'm not sure but that sounds really hard/tedious.
Even with 360 DEX I'm still 233 DEF short on my equipment.
Either my equips suck (plausible), or I should have put the 61 points I put in STR in DEX as well.
Because trying to scroll a top and bottom (the only equipment that can really be scrolled for DEF) for about 115 points each is in fact impossible.

What I could do is get a pair of 140 boots and a 140 cape, that might add 100~points to DEF, but even then I'd need to scroll my top and bottom for 65~ added DEF each, which still requires around +6-9.

Note that this is based op the values of the DS class, I'm not sure if this can be translated 1:1 to Kaiser.

I don't want to sound like a know-it-all, but that's what I can tell from my experience.
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Re: Kaiser full str or dex

Post by minadein on Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:43 pm

Based on screenshots I've seen, the def values of DS and Kaiser are probably very similar...

2:1 STR:DEX:

Pure Str:

I agree with @RasAlgethi, without pure dex I have a feeling mushrooms will be a bit of a challenge.
You really need the VIP buffs for defense, otherwise MK and LK will be about sniping from safe spots...

@RasAlgethi, how are you farming @ Level 140+? My AB has a pure DEX build with 1K DEF, and mushrooms hit for like 3-4K dmg.
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Re: Kaiser full str or dex

Post by RasAlgethi on Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:57 am

@minadein, I basically abandoned my DS as soon as Kaiser came out xD.
But what I would have done would be: simply stock up on the highest healing HP pot and have a pet. And auto all the way.

The monsters hit my DS for about 1.5-3K at this moment if I remember correctly, which would be kinda doable...
Or I would have gotten a stat reset again... but I didn't want to blast the candy on that.

Instead of all that I just created a Kaiser and be done with it xD.
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Re: Kaiser full str or dex

Post by minadein on Sun Dec 13, 2015 2:13 am

Not sure about you, but I'd say that's a very expensive way to level XD

Do you have a VIP defense buff?

I'm thinking of putting a few points into Sword Strike to do some safe aoe spamming.
Still got a while to go before MK though.
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Re: Kaiser full str or dex

Post by RasAlgethi on Sun Dec 13, 2015 2:46 am

Yeah absolutely haha, that would cost me millions of millions, I would have burned through my 12m mesos stack in a few days for sure, but it's kinda the only way haha.

No I haven't got any defense vip defense, i did have the dojo defense boost, but yeah what's that worth?

Yeah me too I'm going all offensive skills, maxing giga slasher and then deviding points between advanced will of sword and sword strike.

But that's also why I'm keeping my Kaiser full DEX, I really don;t care how slow the auto-ing might get, I want to be able to have around 1200-1300 DEF so the monsters in MK will hit me less than 1K damage preferably around 200-400 range if possible. So DEF is the absolute paramount for me.
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Re: Kaiser full str or dex

Post by Delsephine on Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:30 am

Could I get away with 2 STR 1 DEX and focus on Defense Mode and the enhancements for it? I feel like, because of the two different modes, it's possible to balance attack and defense without sacrificing your stats.

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Re: Kaiser full str or dex

Post by fearlesskiller on Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:46 am

Bad idea imo

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Re: Kaiser full str or dex

Post by minadein on Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:47 am

@Delsephine it depends on your playstyle, but I think the offensive mode is much more valuable.
I dont really value the accuracy or hp boost from the defense mode. It would have been better with damage reduction...
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Re: Kaiser full str or dex

Post by RasAlgethi on Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:32 pm

@Delsephine, I agree with minadein and fearlesskiller.

Unless you're planning on training manually till 150, you'll probably are going to regret nog going at least STR 1:2 DEX to even get through story mode.

I'm full DEX at 83 and I'm still gaining about a 5 levels every 8-10 hours.
As for the skills, I honestly don't get why someone would ever invest points in the defense buff... but that's just my opinion.
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Re: Kaiser full str or dex

Post by minadein on Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:10 pm

For Kaiser:
ATK = 0.6 * STR + 0.1 * DEX
DEF = 0.1 * STR + 0.9 * DEX

Much more efficient to put points in DEX and get ATK buff, rather than putting points in STR and getting DEF buff.
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Re: Kaiser full str or dex

Post by Delsephine on Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:25 pm

I don't auto by the way. I can't leave my tablet on all night, so manual play only.

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Re: Kaiser full str or dex

Post by minadein on Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:32 pm

For manual combat on any class, the priority is your ATK. Kill them before they touch you.

In auto combat, the focus is defense because you always walk into mobs.

The tactics change quite a bit after mushroom kingdom, where aoe spamming becomes the quickest way to level.
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Re: Kaiser full str or dex

Post by fearlesskiller on Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:43 pm

I dont even think ill keep playing this its so bad compared to pc maple back in time... Id rather player the original pre big bang on ios than this

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